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The Life of Ataturk 11 Months ago Karma: 0  
This is a website which gives a more in depth picture of Ataturk, free from propaganda and censurship. Enjoy
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.indian/2005-08/msg00189.html
 
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Re:The Life of Ataturk 11 Months ago Karma: 0  
Try as you like, no one can deny that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made Turkey and the Turkish people great. Turkey is a stable and strong nation because of his policies, and nothing you put forward can deny this. If Turkey had kep the old Ottoman system it would be suffering today from the same ailments that Arabic countries are suffering from. Arabic countries are so weak and backward no wonder they are under constant threat of invasion from the West or anybody else. In contrast, modern Turkey has defeated its enemies and secured its national borders against foreign intervention. Furthermore, it has successfully intervened in Cyprus to protect the Turkish population of that island from aggression. Which other majority-Muslim country can claim such accomplishments? Ataturk was wise to know that those people who went against progress, and did not modernise, would become the slaves of the imperial powers. Fortunately, he saved his people from such a fate, and Turks ought to be forever grateful to him!
 
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Re:The Life of Ataturk 10 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
You really do not know how the regime in turkey is, when you can say that it is perfection. Try to put this in perspective, if you compare the progress made contra the way the people have systematicly had their identitty, culture and religion stripped from their true being. You would conclude that it is not worth all the progress in the world.
Ataturk was a dictator just like Stalin, people did not choose the regime he did it for them, and if they apossed him, they were hung.
He does not represent the true muslim people of turkey, nor did he represent the people back when he founded thsi so called republic. We the people, want our Ottoman legacy back.
If they only asked the people, the people would say: give me back Ottaman rule, give me back Islam, give me back my identity
 
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Re:The Life of Ataturk 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
You are so ridiculous! I haven't yet met one Turk who had identity problems. Generally, I think Turks know very well what their national identity is, you are simply making things up. Furthermore, are you suggesting that Muslims in Turkey can not practice their religion? What nonsense! My dear, I think you are one of those radical islamists which makes it all clear to me. No, I'm sorry, the caliphate that you dream of will not happen ever again.
 
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Re:The Life of Ataturk 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
I am a defender of Islam and the rights of Muslims. There is nothing radical about that at all. But if you look at the term radicalism, then it exists in the present state of turkey and the ideology of Ataturk. Meaning that in turkey either you love Ataturk or else you might as well go die in a corner. The state tries to do what it can to preserve the ideology of Ataturk. The state has various laws which ensure that no one can criticize Ataturk. You have more right in criticizing Islam and Muslims, than Ataturk, it is so ridiculous.
The state has even changed the history books, to ensure that he is remembered as a hero. But the truth is that, that man did what he could to attack Islam and every thing he did was against Islam.

Once we were sons of the Ottoman, the defenders of the faith. The sword of Islam. Ataturk sold all of that so we could be westerners. He sold our faith, culture and our Quran. What have we instead. Let me tell you something. There is nothing greater, than the shame I feel, when I look at the people of turkey today and I now that once this people had the mercy of Europe at their feet.
I would not have traited anything to have sold the legacy we had, to have what we have today.
As our Prophet Mohammed S.A.V.S said: if you gave me the moon in one hand and the sun in the other, Wallahi(I swear by Allah) I will not return from the path of Islam.
 
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Re:The Life of Ataturk 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
You have just confirmed everything that I said about you: you are a islamist.

Secondly, where did you get it that Ataturk traded the Ottoman legacy for anything? The Ottoman Empire was on the decline at least 100 years before Ataturk was born. And the truth is that had the Turkish people not had such men like Ataturk in the empire's dying days, the Western powers would have carved up Turkey into many little, insignificant nation-states and your life today would be a lot worse. That alone is reason enough to be grateful to this visionary of a man, and to adhere to his legacy. Besides, you don't want to accept the fact that Turkey is a much more poweful nation than any other Muslim-majority country is. How do you explain that?
 
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